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par marie Dim 19 Juin 2011 - 14:53

trading forex or et argent, interdit aux résidents us ?

voici le courrier qu'un broker US envoie à ses clients

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En raison de la Loi Dodd-Frank promulguée par le congrès américain, une nouvelle réglementation interdisant aux résidents américains le commerce des métaux précieux, y compris l’or et l’argent, entrera en vigueur le Vendredi 15 Juillet 2011.

En conjonction avec cette nouvelle réglementation, forex.com devra cesser le négoce des métaux pour les résidents des USA le Vendredi 15 Juillet 2011 à la clôture des marchés à 17:00 HE. En conséquence, toutes les positions ouvertes métaux devront être fermées le 15 Juillet 2011 à 17:00 HE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/trading-over-counter-gold-and-silver-be-illegal-beginning-july-15

en clair : il ne serait plus possible de trader sur le forex, les métaux, précieux ou non ...en tant que particulier, résident US ce qui parait invraisemblable... car justement le trading forex des métaux, ce sont les particuliers
le comex ou les futures , d'une manière générale, ne sont pas concernés, puisque les contrats prévoient la livraison du métal

à mon avis, ce broker interpréte mal les textes, ou bien c'est un hoax ???

et se base sur les articles relatifs à la régulation CFTC , interdisant aux entités "non éligibles" de trader en levier
ce qui exclut le particulier
What Does Eligible Contract Participant Mean?
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A group or individual allowed to engage in financial transactions not open to retail customers. The Commodity Exchange Act outlines the requirements for eligibility, stating that those seeking to become eligible contract participants must have sufficient regulated status or a specified amount of assets.



Investopedia explains Eligible Contract Participant
Eligible contract participants include financial institutions, insurance companies, commodity pools and wealthy individuals. These participants are authorized to engage in complex stock or futures transactions such as block trades, exchanging excluded commodities and transacting on a derivatives transaction execution facility. Becoming an eligible contract participant provides a person or group with a wider range of investment choices and financial options than would be available to a standard investor.


en tout état de cause, voici une synthése en français de la loi Dodd Frank



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par marie Dim 19 Juin 2011 - 15:28

de son coté Jesse a également étudié le courrier de forex.com et étudié plus précisément la nouvelle loi Dodd Franck :

il s'agit ici de limiter ( et non pas de supprimer totalement ) le levier qui doit être de 10 maximum , sur les marchées OTC ( donc le forex, entre autres ), et ce, uniquement sur les marchés non régulés par la CFTC

et en effet, les documents de forex.com autorisaient le levier jusquà 100 ..

bref...les spéculateurs us à haut levier, sont "invités"... au comex ..

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2011/06/cftc-to-curtail-off-exchange-highly.html



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par marie Lun 20 Juin 2011 - 13:53

un autre broker australien cette fois, interdit à ses clients particuliers, le trading sur les CFD or et argent, c'est à dire sur les futures ...

mais continue à autoriser le trading sur le forex !

une interprétation très fantaisiste de la loi Dodd Franklin

assez incroyable tout ça...

car à tort ou à raison, ça fait d'autant moins de petits spéculateurs sur ces marchés ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/another-broker-halts-trading-gold-and-silver-products

MAIS la réponse d'un des lecteurs, french frog indique que ZH n'interpréte pas correctement le courrier de ce broker
rien à voir avec la loi Dodd Franck, mais avec la mise en place d'une nouvelle plate forme de trading et un nouveau catalogue de produits.

d'ailleurs, ils maintiennent bien le forex ..
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I have to say this is one of those where ZH has got it completely WRONG and it has nothing to do with any Gold-related-possible-whatever.....
As part of moving to their new trading platform, CMC are stopping any monthly and quarterly rolling instruments (futures) and only offering the equivalent cash markets, like a lot of SB UK-based brokers.
This has been known for 6 months and all these instruments have been withdrawn when their current contract had expired (or is about to expire).
No more, no less




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par marie Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 14:09

une conséquence assez amusante de ces dispositions ...

que feront les "petits" privés de levier sur l'or et l'argent?

peut etre redécouvront'ils les minières, qu'on peut toujours acheter ou vendre à découvert aux usa?



notez bien que je ne donne pas ce conseil ... les minières, ça s'achéte au comptant... sont déjà assez volatiles comme ça, et il n'est pas nécessaire de se rendre vulnérable et de permettre à son broker de couper vos positions sur un appel de couverture

il y a déja un bon moment, j'avais écrit que les investisseurs devraient à un moment ou à un autre se tourner massivement vers les minières ... en raison de la rareté du physique...
cela pourrait arriver plus tôt que prévu... et précipiter l'entrée en phase mania

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Gold trading.

To all; the recent notification from FOREX that Gold and Silver OTC trading for individuals will become illegal after July 15 is a real shocker. Tyler Durden at Zerohedge commented on this yesterday http://www.zerohedge.com/article/trading-over-counter-gold-and-silver-be-illegal-beginning-july-15 . I have a couple of brief observations, first off this is a real shocker to me but maybe the real reason behind it is to prevent investors from making a "cash call" because the vaults are just about empty. Secondly, as others have observed this may backfire because this demand may simply shift to cash and carry and actually create more of a physical drain.
But here is where the real rub may end up, buyers of futures contracts do so for the leverage, they want bang for their buck and as much as they can for as little capital up front. So where do these traders turn to?...maybe they step up and buy Gold and Silver mining shares on margin? They get operating leverage from the mining entities and financial leverage through the use of margin. Of course they can use options on these stocks but that's just a kicker and a story for another day. The point is this, if FOREX is diverting demand because the physical cannot be delivered I think they have now inadvertently kicked off the phase we all have been anticipating, namely the 'mania phase"!
Let's see what happens here but all I can say is "WOW what a setup!". The hedge funds have set up shop by shorting mining stocks until the cows came home and now the "authorities" have possibly inadvertently diverted demand that will roll over these shorts like a freight train! This by no means is a "lock trade" and I would like to watch for signs that this in fact has been set in motion but I certainly can see the possibilities here. After all these years of making money in the miners but always feeling like THE move got aborted and the rug pulled out from under us, THIS really has the potential to be that "little extra wind" behind our sails that could create havoc. Can you imagine a physical market where sellers are scarce and a share market where shorts (both legal and illegal) must compete with entities trying to enter because they cannot get leverage elsewhere? Sounds like rocket fuel that's too good to be true? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't! Regards, Bill H.



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par marie Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 22:47

coup de gueule de Norcini contre le buzz fait autour de cette affaire

il rapelle que cette affaire concerne uniquement l'otc et les marchés non régulés,
donc en aucun cas le comex, futures ou options

et quà tout prendre, cela drainera peut etre les particuliers résidents US vers le comex...
ce dont je doute, personnellement

amah, si ceux la vont quelque part, ce sera vers les etf ou les minières ... mais c'est un "sentiment"' et non pas une certitude

http://traderdannorcini.blogspot.com/2011/06/impact-from-dodd-frank.html



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par marie Mar 19 Juil 2011 - 15:56

quoiqu'il en soit Gensler reçoit une forte opposition des républicains pour la mise en place des réformes concernant la régulation des marchés, régulation qui laisse, pour le moment de coté la part la plus inquiétante du problème, à savoir les dérivés





Gensler's struggles mark regulatory changes


Submitted by cpowell on Tue, 2011-07-19 02:30. Section: Daily Dispatches
By Deborah Solomon
The Wall Street Journal
Tuesday, July 19, 2011


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304567604576454364204190324.html

When the Dodd-Frank financial-regulation overhaul became law last July, Commodity Futures Trading Commission Chairman Gary Gensler raced to implement new rules assigned to the agency.
But as the landmark law nears its first anniversary on Thursday, Mr. Gensler's zeal has triggered a backlash.
Republicans in Congress have moved to cut the CFTC's budget, curb its power and request time-consuming analyses for every proposal. Some commissioners are irked by Mr. Gensler's aggressive approach. And crucial parts of the $600 trillion global market for derivatives, which many observers believe played a central role in the financial crisis, remain free of new regulations, partly because the CFTC has missed deadlines.
At a meeting Monday of the new Financial Stability Oversight Council set up by last year's law, Mr. Gensler warned that the financial system still is largely at risk, saying, "until the CFTC completes its rule-writing process and implements and enforces these new rules, the public remains unprotected."
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Opponents of Dodd-Frank decry what they call a rapid and haphazard approach, saying market participants "don't know what the rules are or whether these rules cover them," said Jess Sharp, a top official at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
And supporters are up in arms at the lack of progress. "Right now we have the Wild West," said Michael Greenberger, a former CFTC official who teaches law at the University of Maryland. "We have no governance at all in this market." He thinks it will be five years before all derivatives are fully brought into the new regulatory structure.
Mr. Gensler played down the criticism of how he has approached implementing the law, saying the fast pace is largely mandated by Dodd-Frank, which requires most rules to be in place by July 21.
The CFTC chairman's struggles spotlight the hurdles facing regulators as they try to implement the 2,000-plus-page bill, which took aim at every corner of the financial landscape with the goal of preventing another crisis.
On the eve of its one-year anniversary, many of Dodd-Frank's central mandates haven't been accomplished or are bogged down in fights on Capitol Hill, from curbing risk-taking on Wall Street to establishing a new consumer agency.
On Monday, President Barack Obama nominated Richard Cordray, the former Ohio attorney general, to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, but the agency will begin its life without many of its new powers. The bureau, which officially opens its doors Thursday, won't get all of its powers until it has a confirmed director, a tough hurdle given that Republicans have said they won't confirm anyone for the post.
To be sure, regulators have proposed a slew of rules intended to better protect the financial system, including requiring the return of payments from executives who cause a firm's demise. Banks now have heftier capital cushions to protect against losses, and regulators have the tools to dismantle a large, failing firm like Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
The rules the CFTC is writing are vital to the functioning of financial markets. Thousands of companies trade, use or benefit from derivatives. One example: airlines seeking to protect profits from fluctuations in the price of jet fuel. Still, derivatives allowed firms such as American International Group Inc. to place disastrous bets on some investments, which led to its bailout by the U.S. government.
The CFTC was once seen as sleepy and toothless, but the Dodd-Frank law handed the agency arguably more power than any other regulator. Under the law, the CFTC is supposed to police the derivatives market and force once-private transactions onto open exchanges, in full view of regulators.
At the center of this task is Mr. Gensler, 53 years old, a hypercompetitive former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive who cut his teeth in Washington in the 1990s opposing some of the very rules he is now charged with implementing.
Mr. Gensler's competitive spirit extends to his personal life. While awaiting confirmation by Congress to lead the CFTC, he killed time by running a 50-mile race. Rob Gensler, his twin brother, said Gary Gensler is so driven that he simultaneously completed his undergraduate and graduate degrees in four years at the University of Pennsylvania. "I always felt like he pushed me back in the womb and got out three minutes before me," Rob Gensler said.
For his part, Mr. Gensler seems intent on remaking his image as he remakes the CFTC. After being nominated for CFTC chairman in 2009, Mr. Gensler called Brooksley Born, the former CFTC chairman whose push to regulate derivatives Mr. Gensler helped block.
The two met at Ms. Born's office, where Mr. Gensler sought her views on what would make the financial system more stable, according to people familiar with the discussions. He soon began advocating for the type of regulatory policies Ms. Born envisioned a decade earlier.
Mr. Gensler defended the speed at which rules have been proposed. "Congress laid out 360 days, and I think they did that because there was a real crisis in 2008 and they wanted to lower regulatory uncertainty," he said in an interview. Mr. Gensler said he embraced the pace partly as a motivational tool, while knowing it was likely some deadlines would be missed.
Immediately after President Obama signed the bill, Mr. Gensler drew up a brisk, six-month schedule for proposing more than 50 rules. He centralized power in the chairman's office, creating 31 teams, none of which included fellow commissioners' staff. He read hundreds of comment letters rather than relying on staff summaries.
Critics said his strong opinions leave little room for dissent. At a recent meeting with a large law firm, Mr. Gensler interrupted a lawyer outlining concerns the firm raised in a comment letter.
"I don't need you to tell me what's in the letter. I read it," Mr. Gensler said before rebuffing the argument, according to people at the meeting.
At the same time, Mr. Gensler isn't above joking about his spot at the center of regulatory controversy.
In March, as he prepared to speak at a private dinner at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, chamber President Tom Donohue told the business executives in attendance: "Enjoy your meal."
Mr. Gensler, smiling at the group, said: "I hope I'm not on the menu."
In April, CFTC commissioners received tweaks to a proposal that would let the public comment on the CFTC's rules at 10 p.m. the night before a vote and continued receiving revisions during a commission meeting.
Republican Commissioner Jill Sommers voted against the proposal. A person familiar with her thinking said she is irked by a pattern of last-minute changes.
Clashes between turf-conscious regulatory agencies became common, delaying matters further. In April, Securities and Exchange Commission officials were surprised when language both agencies spent months fleshing out was dropped from a proposal days before a scheduled CFTC vote.
When SEC officials inquired about the missing language, which raised questions about whether some foreign entities should be subject to a rule, they were told CFTC policy makers "didn't want it to be in there," according to SEC and CFTC officials. The plan passed, 4-1.
Mr. Gensler said he wants unanimity on the five-member commission, which includes three Democrats and two Republicans. He said there have been only a handful of 3-2 votes on more than 50 rule proposals, divisions that often encourage court challenges by trade groups to rules, and said he tries to incorporate other commissioners' concerns when possible.
The CFTC's overseers on Capitol Hill are urging him to make as many rules unanimous as possible. "Our position is they need to slow things down. We're trying to use the power of the purse to achieve that," said Rep. K. Michael Conaway (R., Texas), chairman of a House Agriculture subcommittee that oversees the CFTC.
Sen. Richard Durbin (D., Ill.), a Gensler supporter, said he has heard the criticism that the agency has confused the market.
"I think there's uncertainty because of the fragmented approach to this, but eventually the day will come when it will all be there," Sen. Durbin said.
The backlash has begun tempering Mr. Gensler's approach. In February, he began calling financial-services executives with an unusual request: "Help us get this right," according to people familiar with the phone calls.
In a tacit acknowledgment he may have moved too fast, Mr. Gensler announced in May that the CFTC would give market participants extra time to comment on rules the agency has proposed but not finalized.
Bart Chilton, a Democrat on the CFTC who is supportive of Mr. Gensler's efforts, said it is likely the commission will have to repropose some rules.
"We had a very steep learning curve, so I think some proposals weren't as good as many of us would have liked. Some of them we hit the target, others we really missed the mark on," Mr. Chilton said.



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